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Urban rifle class comments and feedback
Jul 4^th, 2009 at 3:35pm

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Comments on Urban Rifles:

A good friend just returned from Patrol Rifle exercise in the Midwest. After a long phone conversation this morning, we agree on this:

(1) Within twenty meters, no rifle optic is particularly useful.
Although, red-dots are much more useful than are magnifying optics at these ranges. Speed is critical! Point-body indexing may well be all that is necessary.

(2) From twenty to one-hundred meters, red-dots are king! Aimpoints, EOTechs, et al really come into their own at these ranges. They are fast and don't overly-restrict your view, as do iron sights.

(3) Beyond one-hundred meters in range, it becomes extremely difficult to positively identify threats without magnifying optics.

(4) Swing-out, magnifying optics, combined with red-dots fill the void, but add significant bulk. LaRue swing-out mounts are, by far, superior to all others!

(5) Don't "hunt" while in your sights, iron sights or optics. You must train yourself to come in and out of your sights quickly. You need to keep both eyes open and scanning continuously, until you perceive a threat. Then, you need to get your sights on the threat immediately, identify it, and
neutralize it, all very quickly. Then, come back out of your sights and resume scanning without delay. "Living in your sights" is fatal!

(6) Make use of the prone position when you can. Get low and steady! It is usually your best bet, except when you're on concrete. Magpul rubber magazine bases will help bond magazines to the deck. Combined with a Redi-Mag, it will form a tripod with your elbows. Very steady!

Hit first! Hit fast! Stay in motion. Don't let them breath. Watch your six. Don't relax too soon. Be victorious!

/John
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Re: Urban rifle class comments and feedback
Reply #1 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 11:37pm

Great post Bruce. You covered stuff that some of us probably haven't thought of. I have a scope and red dot sight on each of my AR's, to be able to use either at a moments notice is possible, but it makes the rifles a bit front end heavy and the rifle is no longer 'sleek'. I think participating in some three gun matches on a regular basis would fine tune our abilities. I think most of us think we will do well in competition if we've been shooters most of our lives, but sometimes when the whistle blows things don't go as expected. Practice and becoming one with your rifle is essential if you are going to survive a firefight. Knowing what, how, and when to do the right thing is paramount to surviving also. That is where classes teaching survival, etc come in.

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Dr. Bruce Eimer Global Moderator Offline NRA Certified Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor Posts: 885 Philadelphia, PA Gender:	Re: Urban rifle class comments and feedback Reply #2 - Jul 14^th, 2009 at 3:56pm Training time is the time to make mistakes and discover what doesn't work. When the balloon goes up, we need to have equipment and techniques that have been tried and tested. It's no time for failure.
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Reply #3 - Mar 8^th, 2010 at 8:23pm

"Training time is the time to make mistakes and discover what doesn't work."

Bruce,
I agree wholeheartedly. I've been through a couple of Farnam classes and I like a lot of what he has to say. During a recent training session, I discovered that I had a hard time seeing my target at about 40 yards with my Eotech equipped LMT AR because of the sun glare off of the glass of the Eotech.

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Armenius Master Member Offline Inveterate Tinkerer Posts: 541 Filthydelphia Gender:	Re: Urban rifle class comments and feedback Reply #4 - Mar 8^th, 2010 at 9:45pm Nite Ryder, you have an excellent point. I THOUGHT I was pretty handy with just about any firearm you handed me. Until I shot a couple 3 gun matches. I think I learned more at just one of those than I learned in a couple years of what turned out to be woefully substandard practice.
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Re: Urban rifle class comments and feedback
Reply #5 - Mar 8^th, 2010 at 10:06pm

I want to add one item to Bruce's (and his friend John's) comments:
Don't pass up iron sights. They are simple, less breakable than any glass, don't need batteries, work even with old eyes (if you practice), and they are quick and deadly at up to at least 300 yards.
I also want to underline the most important basic rifle technique Bruce and John touched on: When at all possible, get lower to get steadier. You might be surprised at how quickly you can get into a very steady prone position, if you practice doing it.

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Re: Urban rifle class comments and feedback
Reply #7 - Mar 12^th, 2010 at 9:04pm

Steve.... I have found recently that "getting into" a prone position is not the problem..... getting back on my feet isn't as gracefull as it once was! Cheesy

Just a "biased" plug. The S&W, M&P15-22 is great for drills in close quarters and even out to 50 yards. 22 ammo is a lot cheaper then any other rifle round.

For those of you that don't want to go to the expense of an AR or similar rifle; a 30/30 lever action short "saddle" gun makes a great defensive rifle. Fast, accurate and very dependable.

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Re: Urban rifle class comments and feedback
Reply #8 - Mar 13^th, 2010 at 2:10am

Stingray wrote on Mar 12^th, 2010 at 9:04pm:

Steve.... I have found recently that "getting into" a prone position is not the problem..... getting back on my feet isn't as gracefull as it once was! Cheesy

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Dang old fool: Use the rifle as a crutch, and pull yourself up on it.
Once you're down, and have killed the whatever-it-was, there's no point in hurrying to get up.
It'll stay killed, no matter how long you take.
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Stingray Senior Member Offline Proud Firearm Supporter Posts: 229 Central Pennsylvania Gender:	Re: Urban rifle class comments and feedback Reply #9 - Mar 13^th, 2010 at 11:57am Steve: True, very true....on all accounts from "dang old fool" on ....
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