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Oct 9th, 2009 at 4:46pm
 
One way to train is to dry fire.  With lasers, combining dry fire with the laser has been helpful for me to see if I'm pulling, pushing, flinching, etc., and allows me to train out of those errors. 

I was surfing for a new laser system today and found a new laser trainer system.  Serendipity.

Check it out at http://www.laserlyte.com/New_Products/New_LT-PRO.html

It might be something worthwhile.  Let me know what you think.
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Re: Laser Training
Reply #1 - Jul 10th, 2010 at 10:06pm
 
Doggonit!  I saw this in a catalog and checked it out at the laserlyte website,  and wondered if it's any good or only sounds good.  I was expecting a host of opinions here...oh well...
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Reply #2 - Jul 11th, 2010 at 1:09pm
 
I'm still dithering over whether or not to buy one.  I'm so cheap that I'll probably just continue to practice my trigger control with my CTG on my snubbie.  Still, it's only $100.
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Reply #3 - Jul 15th, 2010 at 6:27pm
 
Well I got the laserlyte dry fire trainer.  IT IS GREAT!  That is ,  it works as advertised.  In one short afternoon session in my front room,  I found that I'm consistently inconsistant when pulling the trigger.  Does that make me indirectly consistant?  Seriously though,  I need to reference my results.  When I take my time I get a short red dot right where I was aiming.  Now the fun part.  Any time I tried to point shoot,  or draw and shoot,  I got a variety of results.  A red horizontal line below my aimpoint.  A diagonal line at the 2 o'clock position.  Etc and etc.  Now my question: is there a chart that shows the cause of bad shots,  and hopefully proper training guidance?  Thanks for your input,  and in the meantime I'm gonna laser my frontroom somemore,  because the laser comes with an extra set of batteries!  Yahoooooo.....
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Reply #4 - Jul 17th, 2010 at 7:05pm
 
A good place to start is a diagnostic chart.  I posted the right hand version.  Left hand version is exactly the opposite.

This, of course, isn't the end-all, be-all of diagnostic tools, but it's an excellent beginning.  If you work it, you'll see that eliminating possibilities helps you zero in on the real issues.  Sometimes, you hit a solution right off the bat. 

Using the tool is simple enough, if you think about it.  For example, if you are consistently firing left of your POA, you may be using too little finger on the trigger.  Your finger (according to many/most training experts) is supposed to be half to three-quarters of the way onto the trigger.  If it's not, move it in a little more and shoot some more. 

Over time, you'll be able to zero in on your real issue(s) or solve them. 

Make sense?
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Reply #5 - Jul 17th, 2010 at 8:35pm
 
Thanks,  that chart looks familiar.  I'm gonna print it and lase somemore.  Also,  the directions that came with the laserlyte said to remove the batteries when not in use.  They mean it!  My first set of batteries went dead after sitting for a few hours while I had visiting company in the house.  Lesson learned,  now let's see if I can use the chart to learn....
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Reply #6 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 4:25pm
 
AN update:  I've been using my laser trainer almost every night after the kids are in bed for 20 to 30 minutes.  I have pulled the trigger hundreds of times,  maybe thousands and it is STILL going strong!!!  Grin Now when I pull the trigger I see a dot and not a line.  My range time is also a little better too!  I hoped for the better accuracy at "in my home" distances,  and I did get that...But I also got more accurate at 30-40 yds!  I'm guessing that is the result of the "instant results" training I recieved from the laser.  Good deal,  huh?
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Reply #7 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:21pm
 
You have to remember that being off by a hair at 10' increases to a whole head of hair at 50 yds.  The relatively minute improvements at short distances become significant at greater distances.

Glad to hear it is working well for you.  Have you been using snap caps to protect the firing pin?
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Reply #8 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 10:23pm
 
OOOPS!  Uh,  snap caps?  What a dunce I am Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed.  I'm using a Bersa Thunder 380,  well at least I WAS until I can get snap caps.  Like I said,  the gun was flawless and more accurate the last trip to the range,  wonder if I should have a smith look at it (since I am definately NOT "smith-ish")....
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Reply #9 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 6:24pm
 
Yet another update:  I took my bersa 380 to my LGS smith and he checked it out...no damage and there won't be either.  I took to my laser and began "shooting" the feral decorations in my front room again Grin.  I'm still a pretty good shot,  so I feel safe from all of the evil objects in my frontroom.. Wink...
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Reply #10 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 8:53pm
 
That's great news!  I'm curious about the "and there won't be either" comment.  Is the smithy saying the Bersa can't be damaged by dry fire?  Just curious.
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Reply #11 - Aug 29th, 2010 at 6:47pm
 
Its a modern center fire pistol. Should be fine dry firing w/o snap caps.
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Reply #12 - Aug 31st, 2010 at 3:23pm
 
I was curious about this too...and will also have to look up that training...er...uh..."tool".  Wink

So, FWIW, is dry firing ok with pistols like my XD9sc and MK9?

Thanks.  Smiley
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Reply #13 - Aug 31st, 2010 at 4:38pm
 
Yes. But I heard that Springfield said to limit dry firing the XDs. I just heard this. I'd call them to verify. I would not know why.

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Reply #14 - Sep 1st, 2010 at 7:31am
 
I do not know anything about laser training, however I found something which is half way between livefire and dryfire. They claim you can use them indoors (though I assume that means in your own home, in a basement or garage, not in a NYC apartment). One instructor recommended them to me.

http://convert-a-pell.com/automatic/

http://convert-a-pell.com/revolver/

These are rounds which allow you to shoot airgun pellets out of your carry gun using only primer as propellant.  Noise and recoil is minimal. You can shoot them at a cardboard box full of newspapers at 20 ft (they shoot a few inches low). They are much cheaper to shoot then ball ammo.

Mine just arrived,  I ordered them with a ring shaped grove around the center.  I spent last night panting the grove with hot pink nail polish so that they will not get mixed up with empty brass casings when on the floor of my range or with live rounds when in my bag.

I will let you know how they are when I get a chance to shoot them.  I just got back from one trip and I am leaving on another one.

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