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Dec 9th, 2009 at 11:55pm
 
Purchasing a new pistol soon, I have been carrying a 9 and want to go to a 40, have been looking at a Glock Model 27. I want to carry it IWB and with a Crimson Trace laser sight. The one for this model installs in front of the trigger guard.
Anyone have any thoughts pro/con on the setup?
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Reply #1 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 4:05am
 
Have you looked at the laser max? When I bought my XD9, the dealer showed me his on his gun and it seemed much better to me. The laser is closer to the bore. It replaces the guide rod so you don't haven anything in the way of holstering or concerned about not being able to buy your favorite holster because they don't make one for a gun with the laser attached. I'm hoping for one for Christmas  Smiley
Speaking of XD9.... have you looked at the XD40 (sorry, just had to plug the XD)  Grin
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Reply #2 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 10:42am
 
Welcome aboard, Fordman

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Reply #4 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 11:24am
 
Welcome aboard from Reading, PA.  As Texas Gal mentioned you might want to check out the XD 40 in the sub compact.  She and I both carry the XD 9 SC.  I cant speak for her, but I sure love mine and I carry in a Kholster IWB.  Great setup!!
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Reply #5 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 3:52pm
 
Looks like there are some XD supporters out there. I will look and compare to the model 27.
I know what you mean about the laser on the trigger guard, I couldn't find a holster for my 9 with the Armalaser. I bought an Uncle Mikes and tore it apart and restitched it to fit. It works fine, but you are limited in what you can use.
Thanks for the comments!
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Reply #6 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 11:08pm
 
ok, I'm ready to catch some flak here.....

Glocks are super guns. I carry a G23 .40 cal every day myself. I carry IWB in a Rocketman Holsterworks holster.

With that said, my advice is to not get a laser sight.

Lasers sights were originally designed for training purposes. Most firearms instructors that I have discussed this with (and my professional opinion as well) is that laser sights do not belong on a defensive handgun. There are more minuses than pluses to using a laser. Quite honestly, I think it makes someone a lazy shooter who becomes dependant on a gizmo when the regular sights on the gun are all that you need and what you should become proficient with....just my .02
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Reply #7 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 6:44am
 
ProactiveShooters wrote on Feb 7th, 2010 at 11:08pm:
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With that said, my advice is to not get a laser sight.

Lasers sights were originally designed for training purposes. Most firearms instructors that I have discussed this with (and my professional opinion as well) is that laser sights do not belong on a defensive handgun. There are more minuses than pluses to using a laser. Quite honestly, I think it makes someone a lazy shooter who becomes dependant on a gizmo when the regular sights on the gun are all that you need and what you should become proficient with....just my .02


I agree with you in principle, except ...

When I first put CTG on my Rossi J-frame I found that it helped immensely in training me to keep my sights on target for double action firing.  It also helped me steady up my hold and keep the muzzle pointed the right way more often than was usual in the past.  This improvement carried over to my everyday shooting. 

I've found that red lasers are virtually worthless in the daytime or in bright light situations -- it's just too difficult to pick out the "little red dot."  Yes, if one tries to use the laser as a do-all sighting system, there will likely be trouble.  Where it excels is in the low or dim light situation. 

I like to practice in the late afternoon and get a few rounds in just before sunset.  Since our range is not lit, it closes at sundown but there is still a little time to get in a few rounds of lower light practice.  As light dims and the targets become more and more indistinct, the "little red dot" becomes more and more important.  I can't pick out the front sight as well on either my EDC or BUG (it's not impossible, just more difficult), so the laser takes on even more importance.   It gets more difficult to pick out the front sight as I get older. 

We can't always pick or choose our defensive moments but if one practices appropriately and does not place too much reliance on any one sighting system (front sight or laser or (pick your own system), adaptation to defensive need can and I believe will be much easier.

In short, a laser is not the end-all, be-all of sighting systems in defensive shooting, but it does have its place. 

JMO, ICBW.
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Reply #8 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 10:58am
 
Big Mickey wrote on Feb 8th, 2010 at 6:44am:
ProactiveShooters wrote on Feb 7th, 2010 at 11:08pm:
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With that said, my advice is to not get a laser sight.

Lasers sights were originally designed for training purposes. Most firearms instructors that I have discussed this with (and my professional opinion as well) is that laser sights do not belong on a defensive handgun. There are more minuses than pluses to using a laser. Quite honestly, I think it makes someone a lazy shooter who becomes dependant on a gizmo when the regular sights on the gun are all that you need and what you should become proficient with....just my .02


I agree with you in principle, except ...

When I first put CTG on my Rossi J-frame I found that it helped immensely in training me to keep my sights on target for double action firing.  It also helped me steady up my hold and keep the muzzle pointed the right way more often than was usual in the past.  This improvement carried over to my everyday shooting. 



I think that you exemplified my answer. They are great for training. Once you are trained, you should have developed the skills needed to work without them.

I'm sure that when Lance Armstrong was 5, he had training wheels on his bike. Would they still help to steady his bike now? Sure.  Would he use them now? Heck no.  Smiley
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Reply #9 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 4:58pm
 
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I'm sure that when Lance Armstrong was 5, he had training wheels on his bike. Would they still help to steady his bike now? Sure.  Would he use them now? Heck no.   
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Exemplifies, in part.  Perhaps I should reiterate.

Would you deny Lance a flashlighton his bike in a low light situation?  The laser, in a low light situation, is simply a flashlight (of sorts), isn't it? 

Perhaps we ought to remove white outline sights, ghost ring sights, Trijicon, Airmpoint, fiberoptic front sights, etc., once someone has become (more or less) proficient at aiming. 

The point I tried to make is that the laser is not the end-all, do-all, be-all sighting system and should not be relied on as such.  But in some circumstances it has a place.  Not all muggings/robberies/burglaries, etc. occur in well lit places.
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Reply #10 - Feb 10th, 2010 at 12:40pm
 
For the longest time I have / was never a fan of a laser sight on a handgun. Now I am not so sure.  Undecided
As I have gotten older; my short range vision is getting pretty bad and I now have progresive tri-focal glasses. In low light situations, I am having more and more trouble finding my front sight, even with Trijicon sights. I find myself tilting my head back and looking throught the bottom of my glasses.

It is even worse when I wear my contacts...which I often do when working or doing things outside. I have a very hard time even reading my watch without wearing "cheaters" or reading glasses. However, my distance vision is 20/10.

Now, don't misunderstand; in a fast defensive situation, shooting for center mass, I don't even think of using my sights until I get beyound seven- ten yards......I bring my gun up to and parallel with my eyes, focus on where I want to hit and have little problem making the shot. What I am concerned about is being in a situation, in low light; where I have to make a precision shot.

I definately want to get my hands on a pistol that has a TC laser and put it through some drills on the range prior to comitting to spending the money. I "think" I will find that I will be able to see the "dot" on the target easier then seeing the front sight with my eyes the way they are now....then it will be more like; my focus will be the same as when I am up close...gun in front of your eyes, focus on where you want to hit???   

For those of yor that currently have / use laser sights...am I thinking in the right direction?    Cheesy
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Reply #11 - Feb 10th, 2010 at 9:39pm
 
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I have a rail mounted laser and I,also, am  far sighted.  You are "dead on".  My experience is exactly what you are guessing.  In addition, while it may not be the correct way of thinking, my guess is that in the event I am facing a BG, I will instinctively be inclined to keep an eye on BG rather than front sight.  That being the case, I will be able to keep a "sharp, focused eye" on the BG and the dot at the same time.
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