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Dec 28th, 2009 at 12:37pm
 
Santa brought me amongst many things a brand new in the box CTL for my Combat Commander.....you know, the eyesight in the  dark as we get on in years and all.

Well, was wondering what in your opinion would be the optimum distance for sighting in and reccomended sight picture at that distance...

Thanks for your assistance.......
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Reply #1 - Dec 28th, 2009 at 8:13pm
 
I set mine at 25-feet.  Ballistically, the round is on it's way up in its parabolic arc so you're essentially shooting point blank.  If you want to try to hit stuff at 50-yards, your round is likely to hit high.  Since "most" firefights are at fairly close range (inside 7-yards/25-feet and a fair number of them are within 7-feet - 12-feet) as long as you get it within the 9-inch pie-plate you should get 'er done. 

Dontcha just love Santa? 

Is this your first CT?  I found it did wonders for my trigger control when dry-firing, especially on double-action.  I was able to teach myself to stay on target and to use my hand differently, including my non-strong-side.  It ended up doing a lot of good when I hit the range, too.  My 9-inch pieplate shrunk down to under 3-inches. 

I'm kinda hoping the birthday bunny will bring me one for my .45. 

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Reply #2 - Dec 29th, 2009 at 9:51am
 
Big M:
I have a CTL on my Guardian 380. As I cannot see the sight pic on that little mouse it's deffinately worth it for the evening hours.
I know this gift was pretty expensive and want to use it but I'm not quite sure about the red dot vs my open sights which I depend on always on a .45 Cal.
My mouse CTL is sighted in for only 10 feet for close in night evironment. Guess the CTL on the .45 will take some adjustment and getting use to.........but I believe as you suggest about 25' is gonning to be good after all most CQB is just that.............
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Reply #3 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 8:55pm
 
Big M:
Although they are set for 50' from the Co. I set mine also for 25'..........Man every time I shoot this pistol I love these grips more and more....Mine are the 401 Pros and I can't stop liking these on this Combat Commander......Sweet.
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Reply #4 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 9:51pm
 
As I've mentioned previously, I am a Newbie to guns.  With that in mind, I'm thinking about the appropriate range for a laser to be "sighted".  I think I understand the logic of 25'; it ties in pretty closely with Teufel's theory.   I'm just curious though, if it wouldn't make more sense to "sight" it at a distance that you would not feel comfortable with in a point and shoot mode?  I am not comfortable anywhere near 25' for a point and shoot - but I attribute that to my lack of experience to this point.  Both of you guys have a lot more experience.  What range are you comfortable with in a point and shoot mode?

My thought is that OK 25' makes sense if you're not comfortable in a point and shoot at 25'.  If you're comfortable with a point & shoot at 40' would you really need the laser at any distance less than 40'.  I'm hoping this is not a stupid question.  Just trying to get a handle on what is a good # for point and shoot for an experienced guy, and then apply that to the use of a laser.
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Reply #5 - Jan 16th, 2010 at 6:17am
 
OPINION:  The difference between 25-ft and 40-ft is just 15-ft.  Following the path of a fired bullet over 15-ft is going to show a deflection (upwards) of just small fractions of an inch.  (I guess I could work it out arithmetically with a ballistics table for a given round).  If you are not able to take sufficient time to shoot off the third shirt button but can only take the time to put the little red dot on the chest, then it shouldn't make any difference whether you get the button or right above it.

I suppose if you are more comfortable with 40-ft, you could set it up like that.  You can always change it later, if it proves out on targets at the range that you're not getting exactly what you want. 

(Bear in mind that I'm shooting a "belly gun" -- a J-framed Rossi using Golden Saber .38 SPL P+.  I'm not, generally speaking, concerned with shooting much over 25-ft, anyway.) 

The the beauty of going to the range -- you get to play with your new toy (as Her Majesty says). 

Does all this make sense? 
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Reply #6 - Jan 16th, 2010 at 12:07pm
 
I'm not certain.  Play along for a moment if you will.  Temporarily forget about the snubby.  Let's pretend you carry your most accurate pistol with you.   At what distance do you feel comfortable with a point and shoot?

My thought is, we must cover 25' perTeufel.  If you are comfortable in a point and shoot beyond 25', for conversations sake 40' - wouldn't it be appropriate to align your laser at some distance greater than 40' (the distance you are comfortable with for point and shoot)?   Hopefully you are able to follow this question.  It's not that difficult a question, just difficult for me to properly phrase.
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Reply #7 - Jan 17th, 2010 at 6:30pm
 
I feel any shots taken beyond a certain distance say....20' may be hard to prove as self defense unless it is some type of shoot out.
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Reply #8 - Jan 17th, 2010 at 11:39pm
 
xxxplosive,
Some times I get so caught up in hypothetical what ifs, I lose sight of the original intent.  Thanks for bringing me back to earth... Wink
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Reply #9 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 8:39pm
 
With good duty type ammo.; the differance in POI (point of impact) at 25 ft versus 40 ft is going to be very negligible. If you are closer, POI will be a little low; if you are further back, say to 50 ft; POI will probably be little high.

It is hard to say exactly...it will vary by gun and by ammo. "Light reloads" will be affected more by distance.

In a self defense; shoot center mass situation; I am bringing the gun up to my eyes and pointing and shooting, not thinking about sights,  out to at least 10 -12 yards, (30 - 36 ft) and I am moving.

Xxxplosive...let me know how that CT laser works for you. I have tried them; but don't have any on my pistols yet. I lke the Ct grip style rather then the big bulky types.
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Reply #10 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 8:47pm
 
Stinger,
I received the CTL 401Pro.......they surely are costly but they work great.
As you noted the distance between the 20 to 40+ feet is negligable..........so I left them sighted in as they came from the factory for elevation, just had to adjust a smidgeon for windage......For me they are terriffic, couln't see the sights at low level light without them....for close up, point shoot no problem either way.
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Reply #11 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 9:00pm
 
Xxplosive....thnks for info.  I have never even priced them yet. Define costly.
Like you describe; my eyes aren't what they use to be. Progressive tri-focals. etc.. Focusing on something up close is an issue...plus low light problems. My vision at a distance is still great.

I understand the arguments about "looking for the dot" on the target wasting time. However, looking for the front sight for aimed shots is also an issue for me know. I think I could find / see the dot better.  Undecided
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Reply #12 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 12:30pm
 
Stinger:
Mine were a gift.........I believe these particular one's are somewhere around  $350.00....but CTL makes cheaper w/ rubber grips.
Really, for me they are what the doctor ordered in low light / dark conditions. The red dot is fast and accurate when set up properly.....Ckeck Crimson Trace Laser Home page.
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Reply #13 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 3:34pm
 
All of the Crimson Trace lasers I have were set at 25 yrds. None of them, 5 or 6 sets have required any adjustment. They have been just fine right out of the box. My next set will be for one of my 1911's. They make an excellent product, as well as standing behind anything they sell.  Smiley
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